Wednesday, September 21, 2005

Intelligent Design - You Bet

The debate in the States about Intelligent Design seems to have completely bypassed Ufology, and yet it shouldn't have done, for I feel we have a large stake in the outcome. To start with, and somewhat amusingly, I find myself on the same side as the Creationists, but for different reasons, although I'll admit the lines are blurred. No, I don't believe that God created the Earth and all on it 5,000 years ago and that somehow, penguins, the current American flavour of the month, confirm this fact.

I believe we were indeed created by Intelligent Design but this was done through directed panspermia by some alien race probably similar to us. Where the lines blur of course is that you might argue that any entity that can create Us and place us here is a God as seen through our particularly narrow spiritual perspective.

But do not underestimate the discomfort felt in siding with folk who are so out of touch with reality. Unfortunately, that discomfort goes on to amuse still further. For these folk, or would the more perjorative term "these people" be amore appropriate, also still think dinosaurs exist. Well, as someone with a keen interest in cryptozoology, I find there is one more connecting thread between me and them although I don't expect any reported sightings of dino in the near future. But should Bigfoot turn up one day, then have no fear that the Creationists will twist that one to their advantage somehow as well.

And yet more similarities emerge. Although I offer the Creationists absolutely no support, I feel attached to this debate in much the same way that many neo con Christian right wing groups feel attached to the Jews and the mess in the Middle East. Their rational for their views in the Arab/Jewish conflict is based on a particular interpretation of the Old Testament and their messianic faith in Jerusalem. They're on the same bus as the Jews but for different reasons, much as I am on the same bus as the Creationists but also for different reasons. Gee, it gets complicated.

To make matters even more messy, Science is at last waking up to what is going on and is starting to get involved, and inevitably, in blinkered fashion, is taking the side of evolution. They haven't looked outside of the box. My perspective would appeal to them, or at least to the astrobiological crowd and yet, unless I've missed something, no one else seems to be extending the argument as I have done.

And to screw the whole dammed thing even further, the debate is a non starter in the first place. The Intelligent Design debate is about who put us here. Evolution makes no such claim and has never ever tried to unravel that one. Evolution simply explains how we developed once life got started.

What a load of old balls the whole thing is.

7 Comments:

Blogger Terry Groff said...

I take a somewhat more deistic view of this whole thing. I do believe in some kind of supreme force (use the force, Luke) that created the entire cosmos and beyond but after that I do not believe that there is a supreme consciousness that is purposely directing events in the Universe(s).

Like a cosmic fractal, everything is absolute chaos but being purely chaotic there are "strange attractors" (gravity?) that cause pockets of coherence. These attractors create galaxies, nebula, stars, star systems, planets, moons, comets, us and them.

Planets almost seem to be cosmic eggs and comets are the sperm. Sometimes eggs are fertile, sometimes they aren't. It is hit and miss. With seemingly vast number of eggs there must be a vast number of fertile ones. It stands to reason that a vast number of them have been impregnated and grown to maturity, probably way more mature than ours.

Yes I do believe this is a living universe but intelligent design doesn't necessarily imply purposeful design.

Wednesday, 21 September, 2005  
Blogger Alfred Lehmberg said...

Oh -- I gotcha'...

... *intelligent* intelligent design! That doesn't raise the gorge in the throat NEAR as high. [g].

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Wednesday, 21 September, 2005  
Blogger Paul Kimball said...

Terry:

So, what you're talking about is Divine creation and free will.

John Wesley would be proud!

Paul

Wednesday, 21 September, 2005  
Blogger Stuart said...

Terry,

You have hit the linch point of my ideas and beliefs. Panspermia seems to be gaining more and more acceptance as the probable cause of our presence but whether it was directed or unintentional is the nub.

To me, your thinking drops a point of logic in the chain of reason. If you accept the concept of a supreme force, then surely directed panspermia must follow. Otherwise, is "He" just sitting there spraying it around and hoping to strike it lucky somewhere?

Make the leap Terry and accept the inevitable. We're made "In His likeness". Somewhere else, there are a few other round blobs of magna and soil and other messy bits with things walking around on it just like us.

Thursday, 22 September, 2005  
Blogger Terry Groff said...

I believe panspermia is directed by the very nature of the fractal motion of the universe. It may be initially intentional but not currently directed.

Unlike Einstein I do believe 'God' has rolled the dice. He/She/It intentionally rolled the dice but did not direct what numbers they would land on.

Even the seeds produced by the plants on this planet simply fall or are blown where they may. Sometimes they take root, sometimes they don't. It all depends on the conditions that they find themselves in.

'Intentional' and 'Directed' are not mutually inclusive.

Thursday, 22 September, 2005  
Blogger Terry Groff said...

Paul,

John Wesley might be near the bottom of my list because he still extolled the Christian faith.

I do not.

But, yes, I do infer Divine creation and freewill. I like this satirical version of The Garden Of Eden

I'd actually prefer a smile from Thomas Paine. :-)

Thursday, 22 September, 2005  
Blogger AB5SY said...

Divine creation with free will, can there be any other obtion? Not unless man claims to be self creating which takes us back to the chicken was created, surely not to assure the continued exsistance of eggs. Man without Divine Creation would have perrished upon crawling upon dry land.

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Thursday, 29 September, 2005  

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